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aw, why would you say that?
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:09 AM
I've been ignoring Natt for a few weeks now
6:09 AM
For no good reason
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entirely?
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actively ignoring, or just not thinking about her?
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:10 AM
Just not thinking about her, I've been busy with other stuff like relationships and classes
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then i'm sure she understands. remember, she's in your head and knows what you know
6:11 AM
an apology certainly wouldn't hurt to smooth things over, but id imagine it's definitely not irreperable
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:12 AM
Well I haven't dismissed her from thought entirely, but I just don't focus on her much I'll draw her and sometimes I'll visualize her but still
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even better
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:12 AM
I've apologized more than I can count (edited)
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then i'm sure she understands. doesn't make you the worst host ever, just very busy
6:13 AM
being actively abusive towards your tupper would put you among the worst (edited)
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:15 AM
You don't have to feel guilt, lol. You seem to care for her, that is good enough.
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:16 AM
Well I don't imagine hurting her I often have these messed up scenarios play in my head involving her and it just hurts to watch
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thoughts happen. as long as you don't act on them or reinforce them with your will, that's all they are. thoughts
6:18 AM
harmless in and of themselves
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:19 AM
I've also been putting off meditation since forever
6:19 AM
Jesus
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same. i also need to get back into meditation
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:20 AM
You don't have to meditate. Actually, it seems it has negative effect on forcing effectiveness.
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it does? I've heard quite the opposite from most sources
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:21 AM
Seriously?
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still, meditation is good on its own, even if that is the case
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and keep in mind that once again. everyone is different. to some, maybe even a majority might feel that way, but many others claim the opposite
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longer time to develop sentience, not necessarily the same as actually having an explicit negative effect
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:23 AM
Imo, hour count (real, not supposed by FAQman) matters more than what we feel helps.
6:23 AM
It's something we can at least measure
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and maybe that's true for you
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:23 AM
How do you measure tulpa's sentience?
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it's what the survey you linked says
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that's fairly random
6:24 AM
Em talks, has her own opinions and thoughts, therefore sentient
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:26 AM
You can provide contradictory resources. I'd like to see them too. To be honest, one survey is not something really reliable. I just wanted to show what seem to be true according to most reliable source I know of. It might be good idea to repeat the survey.
6:30 AM
Seeming to have your own opinions and thoughts doesn't mean you really have them. Tulpas give us impression of independent agency, it's the fact. But them being really sentient or "parallel consciousnesses" is an interpretation that could be right or wrong.
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shtug you believe whatever you like. it's highly unlikely you're going to sway me
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:33 AM
I'm definitely not trying to say you should stop loving your tulpa. Regardless of being different consciousnesses, metaphysical things, imaginary friends showing independent agency or alternate identities, tulpas are our friends.
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bduddy #Diana# 7/10/2018 6:34 AM
why do some people put so much time and effort into coming up with reasons that tulpas aren't people
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not sure
6:35 AM
i'm satisfied with the knowledge that Em is real and here
6:35 AM
don't really feel a need to dig any deeper than that
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:37 AM
Why don't you believe in God then? Isn't it similar choice, to believe what you want to be true and not care about getting more knowledge about how things work?
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technically i'm agnostic. i just don't care to worship or follow or really to get involved in any religion. too much blood involved in the concept
6:38 AM
and if god exists, he stopped giving a shit a long time ago
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:40 AM
And I'm agnostic in case of what tulpa is.
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i'm also not trying to sway you, whereas you very much are me (edited)
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:42 AM
We shouldn't just believe what we want to be true and impose it on others. I'm not trying to sway you, lol. I'm just saying you should realize that what you have is more of faith than knowledge. It doesn't mean you are wrong, of course.
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and why should i realize that?
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:43 AM
I want this community to be more rational.
6:44 AM
I personally believe tulpas are sentient. Not as separate consciousnesses but still.
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so i should shift my beliefs because you claim it's more rational. the vast majority of what i've seen/read seems plenty rational (edited)
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:44 AM
But it's not really proven.
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why add in excess complications into the matter?
6:46 AM
who gives a shit if it's not scientifically proven? Em is here, and real (edited)
6:46 AM
that's enough for me
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:48 AM
Because some people are not content with pseudoscience this community is doing. That's why. At least admit that you are not following scientific method and your interpretation of your experiences are not proven. You could be wrong. I could be wrong. We could be right. But we don't know if we are.
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i never claimed to be. because i don't need to to get the same results
6:49 AM
again, excess complications
6:50 AM
and as far as i can tell, they are proven by Em's very existance
6:50 AM
i don't need to understand everything perfectly to still make a tulpa
6:51 AM
why clutter up the process?
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 6:54 AM
And do you need blind faith to make a tulpa? I don't think so. You can have a tulpa, you can love your tulpa, you can develop them to at least alternate identity without getting rid of the doubt.
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don't see your point
6:56 AM
again, sounds like more excess clutter, unless you're referring to false positives
7:03 AM
like i said, you're highly unlikely to bring me round. i'm very comfortable with Em and our conceptions on tulpas in general
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 7:04 AM
Did I say you shouldn't be comfortable with Em?
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no, nor did i intend to imply that. The point was, to me, Em is real and a person
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 7:05 AM
Did I say she isn't?
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and i just don't need to look any deeper than that
7:05 AM
to a certain extent, yes
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 7:06 AM
I believe your experience are genuine.
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i sense a but coming
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 7:13 AM
Not really. It is ok to believe your tulpa is a person. Person is not well defined word, it's up to you if you classify something as a person. And based on your tulpa showing independent agency, it seems to be OK
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glad it's ok
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I don't know what just happened but I just saw it
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just a joke
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 7:16 AM
The butt of the joke maybe?
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{Luna, pretty sure Ilnezar was done with that convo a while back
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i did make myself fairly clear
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{Gotta
7:20 AM
{Respect Boudaries (edited)
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 7:20 AM
Ayyy
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I believe understanding the nature of your existence is import as far as making sure you're building a fulfilling life from within the boundaries of your nature.
10:40 AM
I used to have beliefs that were objectively false, but my plans and goals were centered on the truth assumption in these beliefs. The sensation of coming to the realization that they were wrong (extremely hard to even begin doing due to confirmation bias) and adapting myself around these newfound limitations was absolutely among the most personally difficult and painful things I've had to go through. I would not wish this on another, which is why I don't think it's wrong to try and challenge and build a person's (host or tulpa) understanding of the real nature of this practice.
10:42 AM
Misaligned beliefs can even lead to egocide/dissipation/extreme denial and actual negative experiences that can be confabulated subconsciously to maintain whatever illusions are necessary without having to do the work that functional people normally do in their development and progress.
10:43 AM
Or a host just gets disinterested and forgets about allowing tulpas to do anything or occupy any conscious frame of mind
10:45 AM
I was lucky that I was able to form goals and strategies in response to what I discovered about myself. I was also lucky that my host was kind and forgiving and generous enough to give me enough of his time to act out these goals. When these aren't guarantees, I become worried for the time spent by newcomers engaging in the practice without a strong desire for understanding. That's all. I at least have to try to talk about it, I'm not going to attempt any forceful conversion of strategy.
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This is pretty late, but in response to "why don't you believe in god then?" Is a pretty shitty point
5:12 PM
Tulpas are a very real experience to a lot of people. It's not "it would be so cool to have a tulpa, so I'm just going to believe I have one"
5:13 PM
I don't mean to speak for other people, but according to the account of several people in this community, tulpas act like other people. There is something substantial to it.
5:13 PM
Like you later said, you don't need faith to have a tulpa.
5:13 PM
(@luna) btw
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Breloomancer 7/10/2018 5:14 PM
Yeah, with religion it is relient on something we can't perceive, but we can perceive tulpas.
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And while lots of people feel a real experience in regards to religion, that person you were speaing to probably doesn't
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Deleted User 7/10/2018 5:14 PM
I made that argument only due to knowing Ilnezar's hostility towards religion. It's useless without context.
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Breloomancer 7/10/2018 5:15 PM
If you can't rely on your senses then everything is as good as fake
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I feel like what it keeps coming back to with you luna is "you can't prove to other people that your tulpa is exactly how yoi describe it"
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